Orissa Persecution slides
Dear Friend in Christ,
INDIA’S north-eastern state Orissa continues to be in grip of gory anti-Christian riots. Scores of Christians, including some nuns have been burnt alive. Countless churches, houses and shops have been gutted. Even Christian orphanages have not been spared..
Reach out
Our temptation as Christians is to focus on our own lives and not much beyond the life of our church because we intimately know the needs of our immediate family and the needs of our church.
But we have not been called to be just an active member of our small Christian circle, but we are called to the ends of the earth.
We really are one family in Christ and it is a joy to know that wee all love and serve the same God! Now with that picture in your mind, let's go further and explore how we desire to treat the members of our own family.
We need your Advocacy
If you saw that a family member was being treated unjustly, wouldn’t you say something? Especially if they were not able to speak for themselves? The persecuted often do not have a voice because they are politically discriminated against as a minority. These abuses are intended to be kept quiet, but our intention is to bring them out into the light of truth for the world to see and for political leaders to respond to the outcry for justice.
W need your Prayer support
For those whom we love, don’t we pray for them regularly? For a wife whose husband was killed because he preached the Gospel, who is our sister, we can strengthen and encourage her through our prayers. For the son excommunicated from his family for following Christ, we can pray that he receives love and acceptance from his heavenly family. Prayer is always the first request of or persecuted brothers and sisters.
We need your immediate help
We can make a difference.
Petitions, campaigns, advocacy, awareness, in your church or prayer group through either offline or online through social media/network campaigns can help turn the tide of these injustices. These governments that either turn a blind eye to the injustices, or intentionally promote them, will know that the world is watching and there will be consequences for their actions.
We are vital members of the growing kingdom of God and we are enlisted as the Lord’s foot soldier on this earth to express the truth and love of God throughout the world.
Please go through the site, understand the seriousness of the situation of Christians in our country. Reach out and help us to spread this news to the world focus like wild fire. Even a simple post to your friend about this injustice to Christianity can make a great difference Thank you.
Wed, 08/04/2009 - 3:46pm reply
Dear Christian
Similarly I appeal to you also , please stop messing up with hindus and Hindu gods.stop blasphemying hindu religion.
We have no anger against your jesus or against christians, but also expect the same from you too, no hatred towards hindus or hindu gods.
Request you to stop using hurting words , about as if we don't know about spiritual power and demonic activity etc.
Good Bye
Tue, 07/04/2009 - 8:38am why christianity is barbaric
There are lot of proofs and quotes in bible itself which proves the falsehoodness of christianity.
1) Jesus is only an ordinary man. ( he must have been a small time thief, and a robber).Gospels ofluke ( luke 19 versus 20-36) about bethany speaks thus of jesus that he must have got away from the place to escape the onslaughts against him.As he himself was afraid that he committed nefarious activities, and wanted a way to escape out of it.
2)Why jesus was born to vigin mary ?
Simply because ,mary had sex with joseph before mary's marriage this resulted in the birth of jesus. (Gospel of St mark ).There are some references that mary used to hide and enter the cattle shed, josephused to meet her there, joseph was in love with mary, he had sex for 30 nights with mary, finally mary became pregnant, and gave birth to jesus.
3)Jesus married
Yes jesus was married to mary magadalene, had sex with her day and night and prodeuced kids ( Gospel of judas).
4)Jesus came to india and studied vedas.
Yes jesus between 15 and 30 years has come to India, studied in the monastories and universities( takshashila, present day pakistan),In those days India was the center of learning, great universities like takshashila and nalanda existed there.Jesus as a student learnt vedas, practiced meditations and yogas. There are many references to jesus wearing saffron robes as a student of vedas like the way sanyassis in India do.There are historical pints to prove this.
5)Jesus himself practiced yoga and propogated ahimsa after learning vedas from India, to the people in jerusalem and bethleham.The knowledge what he learned was imparted to the uncivilized people in the west, Jesus himself was against killing of animals,cutting of trees etc.
6)Judas never betrayed jesus, infact jesus himself told judas to point out to him when the soldiers arrive to prove his identity.Infact jesus betrayed judas.( gospel of judas).
7) According to Esphians(2:9 and phillipians and John 20:2, 21:4), Jesus never resurrected, he was afraid of death , He played a gimmick to prove that that he had resurected, infact he died because of shock or probably heart attack, and is body was removed elsewhere.
Later gospels put dust in everyone's eyes to prove that he resurrected and he defeated death. It is all an absolute Humbuck
8)Jesus never said he is the son of god, or god himself.Jesus said that he is an humble servant of the god.
Gospel of John( 3:12), He never asked anyone to surrender to him or prostrate to him,( Mathews 4:16), He said he is serving the the supreme lord and asked everyone to do that rather than doing it for jesus himself.
Tue, 07/04/2009 - 10:11am Re: Christianity is barbaric
Interesting, now could you please tell me did Jesus have to learn Hindi or Punjabi to speak in Takshashila ? So where did he learn the langauge ?
Secondly, which airline did he take to come to India or Islamabad ? Pak airways ? Etihad? Turkiye? Emirates ? Air India ?
thirdly, Mary Magdalane being his wife is recorded in the gospel of judas ? yes? Judas the guy who betrayed him? obviously!
fourthly , saying that Joseph had sex with Mary to produce Jesus, say that in an Islamic country you would be sentenced to death for Blaspheming the Prophet Jesus, whom Islam ordains and claims to have been born of the Virgin Mary. Lucky you don't live in an Islamic state, or you would have been hanged or much worse.
If a monkey wearing a lungie can fly accross the sea, carrying a mountain, therefore I don't see why Jesus's virgin birth is so impossible.
Fifthly, if Jesus played a gimmick, I am sure you were there checking his pulse to write the report.
Sixthly, yes Jesus was against the killing of innocent animals, cats, dogs, domesticated pets, or simple torture of animals. = 100% True, I agree with you. Its the best thing you ever said about Jesus, being vegetarian or eating fish is healthy for your diet.
But who is going to get rid of all the cows roaming the streets of India ? you? I can eat them for you, if you want.
Seventh, your assumption that Jesus was a theif or something is because Jesus has robbed your peace , and yo u can't sleep at night without posting trash on GCIC website.
God bless you and Hope to see you wearing a white jubba, and white dhoti, carrying a bible and baptizing atleast 60,000 hindus into the river. Thats what I wish on you, isn't that something good ?
Tue, 07/04/2009 - 11:42am reply as to why christianity is barbaric
I doubt if jesus learnt hindi or punjabi ( he did learn whatever the language to learn vedas), if he hadn't learnt and understood, he wouldn't have taught what senseless people like you know as on today.
It has been proved jesus has had sex, also mary and joseph ( proved and researched by christians itself like Dan Brown,stephen knapp etc), Ask Salman Rushdie, he too would have similar opinion.
Muslims too have the same opinion, that jesus isn't a son of god, a mere, human being.
In contrast to monkey ( who can fly, beyond your, mine and everybody's imagination), but ordinary human ,a thief like jesus, born to a prostitute or virgin, is acceptable if you have the basic common sense.muslims too have the same opnion.
Go tell any muslim that jesus is a god, or a son of god, you had it, it is you who will be hanged,Millions of christians have had it in the name of crusades ( Richard v/s saladin).It is history.
Instead of preaching falsehood, please go and read and try to understand the truyh.Truth can't be supressed at anycost, even if you try so hard to do so.
May God Bless you too
Tue, 07/04/2009 - 1:56pm reply to your attacks on christianity
1. Dan brown isn't a christian, he is an atheist and a fictional writer, using him to descredit christianity is like me using chacha chowdary's creator to discredit hinduism. its nothing but shows your intellectual absurdirty and your malgin intentions, and using a fictional work to say "it has been proved", without citing any indepth knowledge. I wish to know if you were the gynacologist to whom Mary had a check up?
2.Muslims do not have the same opinion as you, Jesus and Mary are revered in Islam whom you have blasmphemed, Muslims and Christians disagree on the Son of God issue, but they have co-existed together for thousands of years, its only some narrow minded right wing muslims who attack converts, just like you. So you are actually attacking two religions here, Islam and Christianity's important figure Jesus Christ, and blaspheming him. As I said, if you have the guts say it inside a packed Mosque and use the same statements you made against Mary his mother and Jesus, and see what the Muslims will do to you.
compare and contrast (if you still remain in one piece), to a reaction in a church you will get people that will pray for you and be polite to you.
3. You still havnt' explained how a monkey in a lungie can fly accross the sea with a mountain in his hand.
thanks and God bless
Tue, 07/04/2009 - 2:42pm Let me answer your
Let me answer your queries
1)According to you Dan brown is an atheist if it is so then why did he research and write a book called DA VINCI CODE, along with many other christian researches, published in Western lands.If it is only a fictious book, then why don't you decipher Gospel of judas and bring it to the world,The irony is that the gospel of judas is still not brought to the world because it carries lot of light on life of jesus. Ofcouse neither do other gospels tally each other, but still people like you want to hide lot of things which is spoken in gospel of judas
2)Again according to you, muslims and christians belong to the same stock, then why did you fight against them.There were close to 4 major crusades fought against moslems, and a multitude of minor crusades, just because Pope Innocent gave a call to drive away all muslims from arab lands where moslesm had driven away christians,
Do you how many innocent muslims were killed, the crusaders didn't even spare women and children, Because of this moslems turned agaibst christians and the result barbaric massacre on either side.Also please note crusades weren't confined to arab lands alone but also european christian land like spain.It is the first and only war on religions contrary to your saying that muslims and christians have coexisted peacefully.There has never been any instance in anypart of the world where muslims and christians havien't waged war among themselves.
Who started it all ? Who were the worst aggressors ?
3)You also mentioned that christians are polite and infact pray for the people of other religions, if this was the case the goa inquisition wouldn't have taken place where innocent thousand of hindus were just put to the sword.You talk about being pious and forgiving?
4)You are talking about monkey in a lungie.Is that not blasphemy on Hindu religion ?
Then what about the underwear of Jesus, when he was crucified, jesus was a 99 % naked man, only covering his balls and ass.
5) In India Muslims and Hindus coexisted and lived peacefully, it was christians who divided us on the basis of religions.Remember 1857 war of independence where Hindu and Muslim brothers fought shoulder to shoulder together against british christians who had tactfully implied greased catridges with beef and pork.
6)Do you know that in Kerala, there was a long lasting brotherhood between hindus and muslims, till the day portuguese arrived in kerala and started attacking muslims ( in the name of crusades).Again Hindus(under Zamorin) and Muslims ( under marakkars) fought hand on hand to drive out the portuguese from malabar coast.
Wed, 08/04/2009 - 8:27am Re:Let me answer you
1) first of all have you heard of "conspiracy theories"
it abounds in places where people cannot find the
right answer or choose not to believe..
examples abound
jfk, Lincoln assassination, area 51, bermuda triangle etc
dan brown, as usual, cannot come into terms with jesus
so researches and comes up with a concept which came
into prominence when the carolingian kings took power
in france... if you see the entire story has a french
connection. why not... every king who ruled always
wanted a divine connection to him....
there is an interesting point here...
dan brown published his findings in a 'christian lands'
so he didnt get a fatwa(read iran) nor did he get
threats (read 'ram' fiasco in india)
plus read this
http://www.newmediaministries.org/DaVinciCode/Assertions%20About%20Marriage_S.html
2) as usual you are one of those people who dont read history... the crusades was not religious!!! it was fought for land, power, fame....i am not going to delve into this
but here is a simple brief for you...
10th century.. the arabs get powerful and already invading
byzantium (turkey) and spain and will get a stronghold in europe.. so the emperor puts pressure on the pope to declare a crusade (brilliant idea.. you have brought the fight to the enemys door) so you see it wasnt about religion....
3) here we go again... the hindutva tendency of going back
200 years back...
4) i respect other religions.... so i condemn that guy who blasphemed your god.
5) har har har.. muslims and hindus coexisted... dude really open up your history books or maybe wikipedia...
muslims and hindus were 'forced' to coexist under the british prior to that good old aurangzeb (the ultimate hindutva enemy) were slaughtering hindus... man your sense of history really makes me laugh
and the smearing of bullets with pork and beef fat reeks of conspiracy... why do you have to put both pork and beef fat on bullets. why not one of them??? some clever indian understood that to 'wake' indians up you need to insult their religion or show somebody is insulting your religion
exactly whats happening now.. babri, church attacks...
6)yea,,,, long lasting brotherhood huh.... thats why maybe muslims kinda ghettoed themselves in malabar.. and the hindus in the south... dude a little knowledge is dangerous
this is pure hindutva brainwashing
before the muslims were enemies (1990s) so attack them but then they are bombing us so lets attack the christians since they have the policy of turning the other cheek...
let me assure you christians are humans too and the day is not far when a resistance springs up....
Wed, 08/04/2009 - 9:35am your reply dude
Really great
I got solid knowledge from you, crusades weren't religious and neither for christian.
Then please don't called who were killed in crusade action 'matyrs', you can call them people who just died in war.
History books like the 'The Oxford world History', published in oxford university press in the year 1902 declares that crusades were religious wars, against muslims by a decree given by pope Innocent 111, to kill all muslims.
All historians( of all known universities in the world) have agreed upon that crusades were meant to christianize arab lands.Crusades were joined by Bouborn ( King of France), Godfrey joined by Richard which was second major crusade.
Do you know that not a single women and children were spared ? Why All in the name of christ ?
Why are you all silent on Goa inquizition. Please tell me.Thousands of innocent hindus( including women and children were killed).
Do you know When Vasco da Gamma landed at Calicut in 1498, he was bewildered by overwhelming muslim peasents and traders and asked the zamorin to drive out these arab traders, which was declined by Zamorin for which Vasco da Gamma started burning mosques killing innocent muslims and hindus living on the coast.
Please read history ( oxford history of india)
India fom ancient times ( By Prof Irfan Habib).
Yes I also agree, aurangazeb persecuted hindus, he was fanatic, but his forefather Akbar was tolerant to hindus and christians alike.
Do you know that Tipu Sultan attacked and killed many christians in mangalore and malabar. Why ?
But at the same time he gave gifts and religious offerings to many temples in karnataka.
As far as Dan brown and other christians are concerned they have conducted enough research with other fellow christians and gave his masterpiece 'The DA VINCI CODE' to the people, it is a master piece of history which has been accepted by historians at isreal, cambridge and boston universities.For your kind informations still researches are going on, on holy grail, deciphering gospel of judas, comparitive theology on various gospels etc.
Wed, 08/04/2009 - 6:21pm Re:your reply
hi,
can you please get your grammar correct? i can barely decipher what exactly is it that you want to convey!!!
Wow, so the 'oxford world History' is your main book to look at history huh....
want to know how this 'oxford world history' is flawed??
the first crusade was started by Pope Urban 111 (hope you didn't purchase this history book from traveling salesmen...)
btw, who/what the heck is bouborn?? or you meant godfrey of bouillon from the first crusade?? plus richard the lionheart was involved in the third crusade...
so please spare me your half baked 'oxford world history' knowledge...
let me do you a favor and give you this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade#Second_Crusade_1147.E2.80.931149
i know its too long... given that you get your knowledge from one of those story type history books.. this is a critical analysis of the crusades... please do take your time and respond.... and not just the first words
ummm... even in the gujarat riots women and children were not spared.. they were all screaming jai bajrang bali
plus in the mangalore attacks... you can see the idiots actually praying before manhandling the women....
whats your take on that...
the goa inquistion was a horrible thing..but i am sure its not mentioned in your 'oxford world history' that the inquistion was prevalent at that time in all europe too.
not only hindus but christians, jews, muslims also...
i am sure your shaka masters did not tell you that...
it occurred mainly in portugese and spainsh colonies...
ask portugal for retribution
btw, can you give me a link where it says 'Thousands of innocent hindus( including women and children were killed'
listen, vasco da gama was a goddamn businessman, not a religious figure.. the muslims traders were competition for him... what do you think he will do....same what happens now... now you use money power to displace all other business (organised vs unorganised retailing) those days you used muscle power..
wow, awesome logic lets see
akbar - tolerant to hindus and christians alike (so plus)
aurangzeb - killed hindus (so minus)
so plus and minus cancel each other..so muslims are better
dude, grow up....
man, your history is really warped... tipu sultan loved hindus and killed christians!!!!
did you hear that the bjp govt in karnataka said that tipu sultan was a villian because of the atrocities he committed on hindus... you didnt i am sure
here is the link
http://www.hindu.com/2009/01/17/stories/2009011754930500.htm
one more
http://www.indiastar.com/wallia7.htm
how about one more
http://www.bharatvani.org/books/tipu/ch06.htm
dan browns masterpiece huh... love your small sense of knowledge... his novel is copied majorly from a book called 'holy blood holy grail' (he was sued for it)
thanks for the info provided on the researches going on in all the universities of the world... hope it gets updated in your precious 'OXFORD WORLD HISTORY'
i do not care what the universities think.... i love Jesus period...
Wed, 08/04/2009 - 3:13pm Stop Blasphming the Lord Jesus Christ
To the Hindu Brother here,
Look, whatever anger or hate you got to Christians, we can accept it, we can forgive, we can bear it, but it is out of my love for you, that I give you a severe warning, DO NOT Blasphme the Lord Jesus christ, you are fighting against God himself, it can bring severe curse upon your self and your family and decendants, and open your own selves to demons to manifest themselves in your life in every area.
kindly do not do it. You can spit on to our faces, we can take it. We are human, but God is God, there is no need for this kind of false propaganda against the Lord Jesus Christ. Even demons fear him. and Demons do not fear you. Keep that in mind.
You have no idea of what real spiritual power or demonic activity is about, when it manifests itself, it is a terrifying thing. As A hindu you should know this better than any one else. God is God, you DO NOT mess with HIM.
Don't play with fire and hurt yourself. It is out love I warn you this
God bless you
Direct your anger to Christians and churches. Leave the Lord God Jesus Christ, holy of holies out of this.