United Christians, express your concerns in spite of our theological and cultural differences, especially glorifying the great plans of our mighty God at the times of persecution.
- Christians are already one in spirit. John 17:20-23; Rom 8:9; 1 Cor 1:12,13; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:3-6
- Unity was apparent during the first days of the Church. Acts 2:44,46; 4:32; 5:12.
- Our love for each other identifies us as Y'shua's disciples. John 13:35.
- What does the Bible say about denominations? Do we say we are Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Newlife etc? Or should we just call ourselves Christians? 1 Cor 1:10-13; 3:1-4
- What should we think if some other denomination is properly and successfully preaching the Good News? Luke 9:49,50.
- What should be our response if someone is preaching the Good News with impure motives? Phil 1:15-18
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Fri, 09/10/2009 - 12:38pm Is British India and Sindooism a failed colonial empire?
Before I begin this discussion,let me introduce myself.I am a christian from kerala(St.thomas christian whose nun was raped by them) living in Saudi Arabia currently working.Here in Saudi Arabia we have many churches all over Saudi all held in open.Before I begin my question on why I put forward this question on the issue and the reason for it.Let us begin the history of present day Republic of India nd the previous British rule.The reason we've a giant country stretching from Kashmir to Kanyakumari is because British ruled annexed nd unified the whole indians under a false pretext of Sindooism.Now we know british was succesful in planting lots of protestant missions in India and all over South india,but we'd other christians like us who were in this country for over 2millineum.India streching from Madhyapradesh till Kerala(3indians were ancient christendom).Its a pity that only in kerala that this St.thomas tradition lies.But thats not my point.Why did we allowed the British colonial rule to rule us for over 300years nd why did we allowed this new religion formed by the colonial rule in the 1830's to continue till now which has been the principle factor in uniting the whole country as a whole,I agree,but can we disagree that the new name added by the colonial rulers Sindhuism nd later Hinduism has been a bane for the whole of nation in the post colonial rule even now.Even now we look at it colonial rule had little effect on spreading their christian missions.But the christians were here 2000years even before whole Europe had become christians.But why did we as a whole Indians allowed the empire to stay here for 300years and why have we been stupid enough to believe that till now the absurd fact of naming all Indians including the tribals who workship mountains and rivers as Sindhus/Hindus a failure in the history of humanity in this subcontinent.
So answer the question of a human being with common sense hailing from kerala where no RSS or BJP has ever won or no terrorist attack has ever happened-isnt the colonial British India nd their tool of Sindhuism an utter failure for the nation as a whole or the worst thing to've happened for India keeping in mind that not only do the Sindhus consider themselves having an identity of Sindhuism but also considers christianity as a foriegn religion(which is not infact Sanathan Dharma is none other than the ancient Indian Catholic church,Bhavishya purana was infact the literal translation of Bible written by a christin yogi) which in turns even hurts a normal North nd central Indian to accept their old yeshu as their personal saviour.
Tue, 15/12/2009 - 11:08am Eda, Thiruvallakkaran
Eda, Thiruvallakkaran allenkil pathanamthittakkaran pulayadimonte mone. Ninte athibhudhi kayyilirikkatte.
Now listen brothers and sisters, we should avoid using foul languages against Hindus and muslims in this site. This will boomerang us.
Sat, 19/12/2009 - 8:53am re:Eda, Thiruvallakkaran
Eda Pundache makkale, ninuku Hindukalada chandi nakki, adinda theetam karhziniengul, cheydoulu, mohammed da andi vailu itu nakkaningul nakkikyo.
Ravila keri, caccooseill thooram poobmazhu, Shri ayappaa'dey vailu theetum erekiykolu, ketada mairey?, thazholi monay?, ninda ammey da kunna nakkada.
Kerala Christianity hindukalda theetam kondu mix ayya oru payasam anada, true Christianity is nothing like it.
Sat, 10/10/2009 - 1:22am Didnt get an answer to
Didnt get an answer to this.
Are you accepting the fact that the colonial empire in the subcontinent nd its tool of Sindhuism is the reason why Indians are not coming to christ in large nos?
So what can we do to overcome this horrible after effects of the Hindusthan?I would love to get comment from not only Indian Protestant christians but also from the Sindhus or Hindus whatever you call yourself.I come from kerala where it has largest no of christian population nd has the largest christian convention centre in the world but the protestant missions dont prope up here neither do any one of the keralites believe that they are part of Sindhuism which in fact was a mere lie.Is that why BJP never won a seat in Kerala because people here have common sense nd also not live as slave of west?
Sat, 19/12/2009 - 9:15am Achayans attempting to divide Christians
Dirty Attempts by a Achayan Catholic, to degenerate western Christians, and live as a slave to Hindus, and to divide Christians and make protestants and catholics fight each other. Typical of A nestorian left over breed in kerala.
Perhaps you should read what is below.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [Romans 10:12]
Thu, 27/08/2009 - 5:46am Organized+aggressive Proselytization is an assault on Hinduism
When I was 9 years old, I fell severely ill. Initially, doctors weren't able to cure me. A Christian pastor that lived next door to us promised that he could cure me by giving me some sort of prayer and Bible reading sittings. My parents gave consent initially. During those sittings, he tried to convert me and tried to corrupt my brain with specious anti-Hindu propaganda (sneakily, whenever my parents weren't around.) Unfortunately for him, even as a child, I wasn't as gullible as the millions of other Hindus that have been proselytized (including my dear aunt who and whose family were converted to the Pentecostal faith some 15 years later, with my medical doctor cousin sister marrying the preacher's mentally and partially physically incapacitated son as what she was brainwashed into thinking as a gesture of humanity, but in the real world, the preacher got 3 converts and a lifelong income supplement for himself, and nice livelihood and security for his son) and continue to be. I was eventually cured by a regular doctor who blended his Allopathic medical training with traditional Indian medicine of Ayurveda.
You see, there should be freedom of religion, but assaulting another religion and culture, as has been done to Hinduism for 1300 years by Islamic barbaric conquests and Christian missionary activity, and the assault now continuing in various other manners, had and has exactly one end goal: complete destruction of Hinduism, Hinduism-based Indian culture and its 5000+ year long civilization.
It's that civilization which gave the human race its mathematical and scientific foundations by inventing formal grammar (in 500 BC), the number zero, the decimal and binary number systems, and differential calculus (300-400 years before Newton/Leibniz) among a lot of other inventions. See: ,a href="http://tinyurl.com/ind-math">Indian Mathematics: Redressing the balance, by Ian G Pearce . Without those Hindu and Indian inventions, modern Western mathematics, science and technology would not have been possible, or, at least they would have taken a few more centuries to materialize.
Even (the initially Western) global capitalism was partially seeded by the capital resulting from valuables (such as gold, silver, diamonds, etc) stolen from India (and other colonies), some technologies stolen, and the labor extracted from colonized laborers. Colonization also helped Europeans by freeing up the time they would otherwise have spent on generating basic necessities (like food), which allowed them to engage in more luxurious pursuits of scientific investigation and exploration.
Proud and concerned Hindus want to restore and preserve the great legacy and heritage of India, and would like to see India (along with all its religions it gave birth to and represents) thrive in the modern world that Hinduism helped usher in.
If the Christian missionaries tried to proselytize and convert Muslims by smearing and demonizing Islam (as they do Hinduism), it would evoke an extremely angry and violent (far worse than the mild resistance they are seeing from Hindu groups trying to defend Hinduism from complete destruction) reaction even in India. If they tried that in Pakistan, the Muslims would round them up (you know what I mean) in no time, with full support from their government and laws. If Muslim groups tried to convert millions of Christians in the US or another predominantly Christian country, the Christian Church in those countries would come out full-force with their scalpels and pitchforks, and ensure that the proselytizers would be kicked out, and be never allowed to return. In other words, these missionaries operating on India are taking advantage of India/Indians/Hindus' hospitality, generosity, openness, open-mindeness and kindness to come in and destroy Hinduism, and now by using those converted Hindus to attack Hinduism even more.
Dharmic religions (Hinduism/Buddhism/Jainism/Sikhism) are native to India, while Christianity and Islam are imported and/or imposed religions. An India without its Dharmic soul would cease to be India.
Violence in all forms must be condemned. However, the source of violence here is organized proselytizing. If and when organized, aggressive and rapacious proselytizing (probably funded by foreign missionaries) of the Hindus in India stops, the historically strong, amiable and peaceful relationship between Hindus and (the existing) Christians would be recovered in no time. It not a lot harder than that.
Fri, 28/08/2009 - 7:55am I totally agree with you.
I totally agree with you. Missionaries missusing softnature of Hindusim. Hindus are easy traget for Missionaries as they are not oganised as muslims..
Another thing missionaries mastered is 'politically' correct path (read (Charity') for conversion. They have mastered this art.. Hindus need to learn this return in same coin..
Thu, 27/08/2009 - 2:29pm i dont agree with you.
Hi,
I have read your concern. I saw no where the mention of GOD, you are talking about religion. I believe you know that, Jesus came to world to die for our sins, and it is a free choice to make. and we tell gospel so that the people may know and get delivered not to establish a religion.You have to come out of the shell called Religion and understand GOD, He is the creator of everyone, he is father, he thinks like you and me, he loves. Do you have relationship with GOD, did ever GOD spoke to you.Just like how your earthly father spoke to you. MAN created RELIGION, before india was named as india, or usa, UK, or any country, GOD Exists. it doesnot matter how old the beliefs are in any country, you got to find the truth by searching. For thousands of years, people thought earth is flat, but they could know after discovery that it is not flat but a sphere.Because you are born in INDIA as Hindu, you became hindu, if you are born in somewhere in remote place in an island, you would have been different. Remember GOD is universal, no matter where you are, how you are, he will try to reach somehow, because you are his son or daughter, he made in ur image. But if you choose to reject him. He will not force you.
Regarding the pastor who made money and future for his benefit preaching gospel, does not make the truth a lie. Every man is selfish in one or other way. You will not become truthfull, by preaching or saying truth, but by living it. Dont look gospel in negative way, but try to understand it ,whether accepting or rejecting.
God Bless you
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Tue, 30/12/2008 - 9:14pm Attacks on Christians more grave than the terrorist attacks
Attacks on Christians in India more grave than the terrorist attacks in India
Thursday, 18. December 2008, 12:44:56
Meet The Real Terrorists…
(they are still proudly walking free on the streets of India)
Today the whole world is talking about the terror attacks on India by Pakistani terrorists. Every TV channel in the world, every newspaper is filled with the heart-breaking stories and pictures of the tragedy that began on the night of 26th November 2008. The government of India has very generously granted lakhs of rupees to the families of the deceased. US has sent their representatives to promote peace talks between India & Pakistan. Every person in the world has condemned the terrorists and their disgustful acts. Signature campaigns and public demands have caused top government officials to resign.
Today, the police are claiming that all terrorists are either dead or arrested. There is no need to fear, none of them are on the loose.
But, is that really true?
Allow me to take you back to a few incidents (I call them 'terror-attacks') that happened right here in India, just a few months ago. Only it wasn't in Mumbai, but another lesser known state Orissa.
- Priests were killed. Beaten up. Hammered and left bleeding naked on the streets to die.
- Nuns were raped.
- Children were burnt alive.
- Christians killed and cut to pieces.
- Rajni Machi, a 20-year-old HINDU girl, who was rejected by her parents because she was the eldest of 7 girls (the parents wanted a son), adopted by Fr. Edward Sequeira, was gang-raped by HINDU fundamentalists, and burnt alive.
- Hundreds of Churches & villages burnt and destroyed
- 60,000 plus Christians fled to the forests, with no food, no shelter, no sufficient clothing to keep them warm in the bitter cold.
- Volunteers from Mumbai and other parts of the country not allowed to go and help the victims.
- No provisions were allowed to be sent to them.
- Even today, 1000s of these poor, helpless Christians are hiding in the cold, dangerous forests, with no one to help them.
Now tell me are these fundamentalists any better that the terrorists? I say no, they are as much a terrorists as the ones who came from Pakistan. In fact, even worse. The terrorists who attacked Mumbai, attacked their enemies. The Indian fundamentalists, attacked their own brothers - fellow Indians.
And these terrorists in Orissa are still roaming around boasting about their great deeds. The Chief Minister of Orissa, Naveen Patnaik still sits on his throne. The attacks in Mumbai have ceased after 3 days. The attacks in Orissa still continue.
Will someone do something? Can we demand justice for the suffering? Or is that reserved only for the elite class of Taj & Oberoi in Mumbai. Some of those who were caught in the Taj and Oberoi have been saved and given a second chance in life. Can the people of Orissa expect the same?
Many of you reading this are in different parts of the world. Some of you are in the US. Can someone take this message to the US President? Will they force the government of India to send the army to Orissa and other parts of India that are under attack?
What will you do? Will you just forward it to a few 'safe' friends and forget about it? Will you take a stand to talk to every person you can about this injustice? Will you promise not to stop spreading this message till Orissa is freed of terrorists? We need a country that is free. Will you join this freedom struggle like Gandhiji once did?
I will.
For those who want to read more on terrorism in Orissa, here's a link: http://orissaburning.blogspot.com/2008/08/saved-from-fires-fr-edward-sequeira.html
Fr. Edward Sequeira passed away a few weeks ago, due to the severe internal injuries and inhalation of smoke for hours when his home and children were burnt alive. This message is dedicated to his great love and sacrifice.

Orissa Persecution slides



Sat, 19/12/2009 - 9:00am kerala Christianity is dangerous avoid it
True Christianity is nothing like the kerala Christianity, which is mixed in with "culture+hinduism left over", St thomas never preached them the kind of dirt bag garbage they follow.
Verum nakka picha, hindukalda echilu nakkan vanna kerala christiani pattigal, eda instead of bad mouthing "western" Christianity, go clean your own dirt bag house first. no wonder India remains unevangelized.
To all Hindus - The Lord Jesus did you a BIG FAVOR by allowing you to remain Hindus for 2000 years, by not allowing the dirty kerala Christianity disease to spread out of the western ghats.
So Hindus, be patient, a cleaner and more nicer form of Christianity will be introduced from USA and Europe that is more in line with the true teachings of Christ.
Keralites are busy "malayalizing Christ", they want Christ to become like them, but they are too BUTT lazy to become like christ.
Keralites are one of the most racist, and destructive people in the entire Indian union, look at their pathetic suicide rate, manipulative and cunning snake like attitude, this is what they will do to North Indians and other groups, spreading their DIRTY version of Christianity that is mixed in with the ECHILU of Hindus.
Blessings